Feb 17 • 51M

It's a Bird! It's a Plane! It's a... Balloon?

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Conversations about conflict on an angry planet. 781951
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What’s the biggest Chinese threat to the United States? Well, if you ask security expert Stephanie Carvin, it’s not a balloon—no matter how large and how many missiles it takes to shoot down.

So, what should we really be worried about from China’s security apparatus? Well, you could start with more traditional spying, but there’s a lot more to it than that.